If you find or have a box of the original Black Talons, those are collectors items. The "armor-piercing" myth may have originated from the markings used on certain military small-arms ammunition. The media frenzy made the bullets out to be so bad that it seemed a person could not survive any wound sustained by these projectiles—they would rip huge chunks out tissue and bone right out of your body. The .300 Winchester Magnum (Win Mag) has reigned supreme for nearly 60 years and is one of America’s most prolific cartridges. Nov 1, 2018 #12. Black Talon 9mm ammo Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Honey Badger, Oct 31, 2018. The irony is that essentially the same bullet is still being produced and sold to this day, just under a different name and without the black coating. [7] The hype of the Black Talon ammunition was the black coating on the bullets themselves. I only have the one box available. Online Auction: Ideal Corners Late February Consignment, Online Auction: Phase 1 Antiques, Artwork, Collectibles, Hardware, Tools and More, .40 Caliber ammo - 28 Winchester Self Defense Rounds - Box of 40 Winchester 180 gr, Rifle & Handgun brass for sale updated 12-26-20. Almost overnight it somehow got labeled as a "cop killer" that was a real bummer. Seems to me that "Armor Piercing" is a perfect setup for the same thing to happen. Cleveland, OH – When it comes to a discussion about small caliber ammunition, nothing seems to arouse controversy like the name, "Black Talon®." The Black Talon bullet is a jacketed hollow-point bullet with perforations designed to expand sharp edges upon impact. For sale or trade. Discontinued in 2000, due to a media hype about them being "cop killer" rounds. 606k members in the guns community. Black Talon bullets were coated in a black molybdenum disulfide, otherwise known as Lubalox, (not Teflon as was reported over and over again throughout the 90s). I heard the sharp edges created a hazard for surgeons who "felt" to … Winchester, Federal, etc. While you can get more rounds in the newest sub-compact double-stack pistols, these older single-stack pistols still have tremendous value for concealed carriers. The famous "cop killer" bullet. Ah, Black Talons, the original “kop killer” bullet, rumored to be teflon coated to enable them to penetrate body armor (a lie), they were swiftly banned. Black Talon Ammo For Sale Buy Black Talon Ammo Online At Black Talon Bullet Wound Pictures Black Talon 380 100rds Ranger 9 10mm 40 45 44 For Sale At Black Talon Military Wiki Fandom Armslist For Sale Trade Black Talon 44 Magnum Sale Pending Black Talon 300 Winchester Magnum 180 Gr Fst Rifle Ammo 357 Mag Winchester Supreme Black Talon Deep Penetrator Sxt 20 Rnds Black Talon Ammo … Great penetration, great expansion. Terms like Teflon coated bullets or cop killer bullets, that either lack a real definition (like cop killer bullets) or misrepresent what they are referring to (like Teflon coated bullets), are easily re-appropriated by political interests to sell their agendas, in this case, gun control groups. Winchester Black Talon 40 S&W ammo. The truth of the matter was that Teflon did not increase the penetration power at all. Nov 1, 2018 #18. This site does not support your version of Internet Explorer. Continue to: prev: 3.4 "There's certainly no reason to allow the sale of cop-killer ammunition which can penetrate bulletproof vests." WEPS Member. Maybe that was even the start of the "cop killer bullets" mania. Black Talon is a brand of hollow-point pistol and rifle ammunition introduced in 1991 by Winchester, primarily intended for law enforcement and personal defense use. [7] The hype of the Black Talon ammunition was the black coating on the bullets themselves. We've fired both 9mm and .40 S&W Black Talon bullets into threat level IIA soft body armor and the armor easily stopped the bullets. But the 7mm Remington Magnum (Rem Mag) has a cult-like following. The Ranger-T is a redesigned version of the original BT and offers superior performance. Not a magical teflon coated armor piercing cop killer, but for sure a quality hollow point. Copy and paste the following URL for this listing, Winchester Black Talon 40 S&W ammo. Black oxide finish helps ammo maker stand out from the crowd. Now it's just the T-series. The famous "cop killer" bullet. The ammunition was targeted by those opposed to civilian ownership of handguns and eventually the Talons became known by the moniker "cop-killer" bullets. The ammunition was targeted by those opposed to handguns,[5] and the reputation was very different in the public,[6]and eventually the Talons became to be known by the moniker "Cop-Killer" bullets. The "cop killer bullet" also known as the Black Talon. No matter what kind of ammo I have, I will never have cop killer bullets, because I … Cleveland, OH – When it comes to a discussion about small caliber ammunition, nothing seems to arouse controversy like the name, "Black Talon®." Description: This Winchester Ranger 9mm +P+ SXT Law Enforcement ammo was manufactured in the early '90s when "Black Talon" (trade name for SXT) began to receive bad publicity as "cop killer" bullets. Joined: Dec 9, 2008 Location: Ponca City Ok Rating 100%. Rep. Mario Biaggi, who at the time was a Congressman, was the first to mention “cop killer” bullets in public and, from there, the term took on a life of its own. Messages: 21,983 Likes Received: 2,937. Black Talon bullets were coated in a black molybdenum disulfide, otherwise known as Lubalox, (not Teflon as was reported over and over again throughout the 90s). I wonder if NJ’s HP ban stems from that debacle. Winchester Rangers T series can be had for under a buck a round and come in boxes of 50 for law enforcement. It was just the campaign of fear and disinformation to push gun control. Glock 'em down Sharpshooter. (The Glaser Safety Slug, in its marketing savvy, is tipped with blue plastic.) At one time I had most all of it. When the black talon came out many moons ago I found it to be an excellent deer round in .357 mag. The AP 5.7 round will zip through body armor but is only sold to LE and the military. Anyways, Hollywood ran with Teflon, possibly because it sounds sexier, with countless movies making reference to sinister Teflon coated bullets penetrating ballistic vests (like Lethal Weapon 3). High(Bid) Time(Left) 16928092: Winchester Black Talon - .45 AUTO BuyItNow!-0 $0.00 $39.99: Out-Of-Stock 16928091: Winchester Black Talon - .44 Mag. Box is in great shape. Just for you Bob, The Black Talons were lubaloy coated, not teflon like the idiots in the media were reporting. Here's the lowdown: Black Talon SXT: The original Black Talon handgun bullet. Weerd Beard. He has introduced legislation that would increase by 10,000 percent the tax on the Black Talon bullet and all .50-caliber ammunition, making wholesale price of a 20-cartridge box $1,515. I sold some of the "REAL" Black Talon ammo about 8 years ago for $60 for the 20rd box. I think I would sale the black talons and buy more ammo. The basic design was the same. Winchester stopped packaging them as such, and killed the name. Black Talons were labelled by the anti-rights media as "cop killer bullets" the same way "Glock makes a ceramic pistol that can pass through metal detectors" was. Discontinued in 2000, due to a media hype about them being "cop, To put an ad into your watch list, Please. Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Messages: 257 … The 308 and 30-06 were smokin'. Little did anyone in that company know they had just produced what was to become the most hated ammunition on the planet, the Black Talon. Sure looks like Talons to me rather than Rangers I have seen. Instead of focusing on the fact that the bullets were constructed of brass, NBC focused on the Teflon coating, which does nothing to make the bullet go any deeper into the target, only saves the gun barrel from getting stripped. Box of 20. Almost overnight it somehow got labeled as a "cop killer" that was a real bummer. It taught would be cop murderers to take head shots. Since the 1980s, federal law has banned "cop killer" bullets, which are able to rip through bulletproof vests. I think the black talon was the original bullet labeled "cop killer ammo". The reputation of the Black Talon and 5.7 as "cop killer" bullets has been created by the anti-gun press with flawed information. That's what gave it the black appearance. Expo in Florida and took it to the range to compare it to their double-action classic, the CPX-2. Black talons are the Kardashians of yesteryears ammo. We have all heard politicians bark about banning “cop killer” bullets, which, apparently, means rounds that will penetrate police body armor. I use … I was able to snag the last three boxes from the local hardware store. It is thinking like this—that the reality of the situation can be trumped by a scary tagline—that we need to change. In the aftermath of the NY subway shooting, 1993, Winchester voluntarily stopped making the Black Talon. Military style 30- and 50-caliber ammo cans or the sealed spam cans of ammo make good long-term storage options and assists if moving ammo becomes necessary. The origional "Accelerator" loads were fairly expensive also. There appears to be continuing confusion surrounding the different versions of the Black Talon bullet, its legality for possession by private citizens, as well as its alleged "cop-killer bullet" armor-piercing capability. So they ingeniously decided to coat the bullets in Teflon to keep from washing out the rifling. Black Talon was decent ammo twenty years ago; much better choices are available now ... and congress all riled up about "cop killer bullets". In 1991 Winchester introduced a new line of ammunition at that year’s Shot Show. He has introduced legislation that would increase by 10,000 percent the tax on the Black Talon bullet and all .50-caliber ammunition, making wholesale price of a 20-cartridge box $1,515. No matter which one you go with, It's a win, win. dennishoddy likes this. RIDICULOUS to say the least. They aren’t, except in New Jersey where all hollow-points are illegal (because New Jersey). In the mid-nineties, Winchester introduced a great line of ammunition called "Black Talons". While the KTW bullets could penetrate vests, it had nothing to do with what they were coated with. So theoretically, those could be called "cop killer" bullets. Winchester stopped packaging them as such, and killed the name. The liberals and poorly informed politicians are at it again; in fact they have never stopped. I picked up this box today These have the black coating and 6 pedal like a Black Talon but have the brass case rather than silver. This is a box of unfired, Winchester Black Talon ammo, in 40 S&W. Black Talon rounds were known for the unique construction of the bullet and its sharp petal shape after expansion following impact with tissue or other wet media. Perhaps there is some reason for debate about this ammunition, but meaningless labels have already polluted conversation so there’s little hope of that happening. 3 Popular Single-Stack Pistols for Concealed Carry. 3 Item(s) Found Page 1 1. I only have the one box available. Now, more than ever, there are guns that come with that option right from the factory. Night sights give you the power to get on target even when you are dealing with low-light situations. Price is firm. Five months and six days after the Ferri shootings, Colin Ferguson, a native of the Caribbean island of Jamaica, went on a murderous rampage on the Long Island Railroad (NY) with a questionably purchased3 Ruger P89 loaded with 9 X 19mm Black Talon 147-grain rounds, approximately one month following Olin’s decision to remove the entire Black Talon brand of ammunition from the Winchester … Additionally, she noted, "Keyes also told a soldier he served with in the Army that he had buried 9,000 rounds of Black Talon ammo — more commonly known as 'cop-killer bullets' and as such long outlawed — on his Constable property." Messages: 5,483 Likes Received: 1,042. We came across SCCY’s new striker-fired DVG-1 pistol at the F.I.R.E. Clear. In early 1992, Winchester introduced the "Black Talon", a newly designed hollow-point handgun bullet which used a specially designed, reverse tapered jacket. Please dont hold that against me. 2021 Honda Talon R with FOX Active Live Valve Suspension, 68.4" wide, 6 speed auto, 2021 Honda Talon SXS1000S2X with Active Live Suspension and Launch Control, 64.8", 2021 Honda Talon SXS1000S2X, Brand New, Street Legal kit, Upper Doors, Lower Door, To contact this user via the Messaging System, Please. Magnum legends: .300 Win Mag vs. 7mm Rem Mag. Let’s compare the two. The news made a big deal of the color and name of the ammo. Discontinued in 2000, due to a media hype about them being "cop killer" rounds. The gun prohibitionists misrepresented this highly effective self-defense ammo as being capable of piercing body armor due to being coated with Teflon or molybdenum disulfide. "They are acutely aware the NRA has trained countless police instructors, and they, the elitist gunbanners, have done absolutely mbk. The prohibitionists know cops and law-abiding armed citizens are natural allies, which is why they've worked so hard over the decades to drive a wedge between the two with BS issues such as "cop-killer bullets. All Rights Reserved, the first to mention “cop killer” bullets in public. I didn't realize it was selling for $2+/rd! The joke was SXT stood for Same eXact Thing! Here's the lowdown: Black Talon SXT: The original Black Talon handgun bullet. Please upgrade to the latest version of Internet Explorer or download one of the recommended browsers below, in order to ensure that your browser works with BisManOnline correctly. It's not better than Corbon DPX or Winchester PDX1 or any other bonded ammo. Joined: May 26, 2006 … If Ms. McCarthy and her ilk want to mislead the public, and in the case above make up whatever information they like, then it is our duty to correct it by writing letters and making sure they know that we know the truth, and that they won’t get away with trying to describe ordinary ammunition as “cop killers.”, Shooting SCCY’s DVG-1 & CPX-2 at F.I.R.E. After the media falsely labeled Black Talon as "cop killer" ammo, Winchester used the same technology minus the black coating (which, contrary to popular belief, did not allow the bullets to pass through kevlar vests) in their Ranger SXT. Box of 20. The criticisms of black talon ammo in the 1990s as being "cop-killers" and dangerous to medical personnel are total bunk. will fall into the WRONG hands. Logged Yes I live in California. The gun prohibitionists misrepresented this highly effective self-defense ammo as being capable of piercing body armor due to being coated with Teflon or molybdenum disulfide. GunAuction.com Master List. In 1986, Congress banned the manufacture of "cop killer" ammunition that was Teflon-coated or made of certain metal alloys. I have a few left, they are what is … the black talons were/are the Winchester ranger T series of today... over rated by the press as "cop killers".. still a very good and destructive round. The low-information lemmings believe whatever the "progressive" media tells them to believe. I found this on Wiki: The Black Talon handgun bullet is a jacketed hollow-point bullet with perforations designed to expose sharp edges upon expansion. A place for responsible gun owners and enthusiasts to talk about guns without the politics. Same stuff, only not black. Wait, I thought “cop killers” were designed to penetrate polices vests? In this special, NBC created the term “cop killer” for all armor-piercing bullets. The marketing at the time bragged about the talons that were designed to "rip and tear". And if their concern is protecting our boys in blue from Cop Killer bullets, they'd have to ban just about every hunting rifle round. This is a box of unfired, Winchester Black Talon ammo, in 40 S&W. Damn, I should've sold it LOL. IT is being confused with something else that does not need to be mentioned here where the info. When the black talon came out many moons ago I found it to be an excellent deer round in .357 mag. Because now it seems to mean hollow points. Item. There appears to be continuing confusion surrounding the different versions of the Black Talon bullet, its legality for possession by private citizens, as well as its alleged "cop-killer bullet" armor-piercing capability. Box is in great shape. To call this ammo deadly would be redundant, that is the purpose of defensive ammo. The bullet included a Lubalox coating, a proprietary oxide process. Reply. 9,026 Posts #6 • Apr 16, 2012. The last to go was the 44 Mag. Black Talon ammo is NOT, nor has ever been "cop killer ammo." Winchester Black Talon Revisited. Honey Badger Sharpshooter. Index ... And this is the first I heard that Black Talon ammo was made illegal here in Kentucky. I have a few left, they are what is at the ready in the house and for hikes. Made for bad publicity for Winchester. Title. Bids. It’s not just guns that are at risk today, it’s your ammunition as well. In 1982, a year after they had become commercially available in brass, NBC broadcast a special demonstrating how these new bullets were capable of penetrating the body armor worn by cops. Black Talon 9mm ammo Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Honey Badger, Oct 31, 2018. Box of 20. Instead of just running a normal ballistic gelatin test, I wanted to take the time to disprove some of the ridiculous claims I have heard about this ammo. Winchester changed the color and name. YES,DEFINATELY. After they were used in the 101 California Street Shootings and then the Long Island Railroad shooting, both in 1993, the media and those in office wasted little time in going after the Black Talon ammunition, now bearing the “cop killer” label. Winchester's old Black Talon is not the same round as the current Ranger-T or PDX-1. IIRC the 30-30 loads were 3400 or so. Black Talon was the brand name of premium Winchester defensive ammo known for the wound channel it produced. The anti-Second Amendment people successfully labeled the line as "Cop Killers" and Winchester gave in to the pressure and quit making it available to the public. They were dubbed "cop killer" billets because of that "armor piercing" capability, and that little bit of hysteria led to a spate of states outlawing "Teflon-coated" bullets. Click to expand... Those were the "KTW" rounds, not Black Talons. Black oxide finish helps ammo maker stand out from the crowd. Description: This Winchester Ranger 9mm +P+ SXT Law Enforcement ammo was manufactured in the early '90s when "Black Talon" (trade name for SXT) began to receive bad publicity as "cop killer" bullets. Far as Gold Dot vs Ranger T, flip a coin. This was actually the first time I have seen Rangers/Talons in 357mag. When the bullet expanded it formed six petals with perpendicular tips. Or does it? There were false rumors that the bullets were armor piercing and could penetrate the Kevlar vests … Get Guns.com offers and news, Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 ©2019 Guns.com. IIRC, … Hey, just what is this dreaded cop killing ammo and where do they come from? Buy Winchester Black Talon .45 ACP Cartridges Full Box: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 891476640 Winchester Black Talon Revisited There appears to be continuing confusion surrounding the different versions of the Black Talon bullet, its legality for possession by private citizens, as well as its alleged "cop-killer bullet" armor-piercing capability. Black Talon ammunition was produced in the following calibers: 9mm Luger, 10mm Auto, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, .300 Winchester Magnum, .308 Winchester, .338 Winchest… For those that aren't aware the Winchester Black Talon was released in 1991. Reply. Military ammo cans … Black Talon For Sale Black Talon. I believe some of the names was Ranger SXT, Fail safe. Page 2 of 3 < Prev 1 2 3 Next > Oct ... 27,742. On a side note, Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy’s website (which you can see for yourself here) erroneously describes hollowpoints, by quoting her saying, “these bullets explode on impact and can penetrate most bullet-proof vests” and “You can’t even hunt with them, the animal would be ripped to pieces after one shot.” Neither of these statements is accurate. D. Hargrove likes this. The jacket was cut at the hollow to intentionally weaken it, and these cuts allowed the jacket to open into six petals upon impact. The ammunition was targeted by those opposed to handguns,[5] and the reputation was very different in the public,[6]and eventually the Talons became to be known by the moniker "Cop-Killer" bullets. For those of you that don’t know what a hollowpoint bullet really does, it is designed so that it does not over penetrate instead relying on it doing more tissue damage and expending all of its kinetic energy inside the target. Colin Ferguson was using Black Talons in a Ruger. [1] The bullet included a Lubalox (a proprietary oxide process,[2] though widely misreported to be Teflon, molybdenum disulfide, or wax) coating, giving it an unusual black appearance compared to copper-jacketed or lead bullets. Dont really know as it's been so long since i've bought factory ammo. The Ranger T is supposed to be a descendent of the Black … This is a box of unfired, Winchester Black Talon ammo, in 40 S&W. 1 0 0. Made for bad publicity for Winchester. My mistake, the ole memory (about 20 year old trivia) aint what it used to be. Any bullet has the potential to kill someone. According to the Brady Campaign, it is any hollowpoint bullet on the market. It was introduced in 1991. The author believes "he had either done something the FBI has not made public, or was planning to." By the end of 1993, Winchester had pulled the Black Talon ammunition off the market as the company caved in to the hysteria surrounding the scandal. The low-information lemmings believe whatever the "progressive" media tells them to believe. Joined Oct 6, 2005 Messages 3,102 Likes 9 Location Wakefield, MA. Expo. regulations to_be_black at the tip, not all "Black Bullets Of Death" are armor-piercing. Today that same media tells them that semi-automatic weapons are "assault weapons" and that the Second Amendment pertains … Black Talon 9mm ammo Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Honey Badger, Oct 31, 2018. I think the same round is still around as the sxt or something. BuyItNow!-0 $0.00 $39.99: Out-Of-Stock 1. Here's the lowdown: Black Talon SXT: The original Black Talon handgun bullet. Stay in the know. The sad thing about this is, all the “cop killer” hysterics did was get officers killed who might have otherwise survived. By 1981, the bullets were made from brass instead of lead and were punching through some previously “untouchable” material but were ruining barrels. In reality, though, the only "cop killer" bullets are the bullets fired at police officers. Price is per box of 20. The 5.7 ammo sold to the public will not penetrate body armor as tested by FN. There was never any real proof that these bullets kill cops deader than other bullets but those at Winchester realized they were on the losing end of the battle. In a shootout with two bank robbers—William Matix and Michael Platt—eight FBI agents, mainly armed with .357 Magnum revolvers loaded with .38 Special went up against Matix and Platt armed with .223 Remington … Rating - 100%. In 1960, an Ohio coroner named Paul Kopsch, a police Sergeant named Daniel Turcos and Special Investigator Donald Ward started working on a new handgun round that could penetrate materials that stop a lead bullet. May 13, 2014 #6 JLove1974 Twelve Pointer. I think the same round is still around as the sxt or something. So yes, there is a concern. Well, it would seem once a bullet gets painted with the capricious “cop killer” brush, you don’t have to let a little things like “precedence” and “reality” get in your way. But it does not address "barbed" ammunition such as the Black Talon. So what are the “cop killer” bullets now? Some levels will be penetrated by 9mm FMJ. Ranger SXT is basically the same, and Hornady and Federal make better JHPs nowadays. Though widely misreported to be Teflon, molybdenum disulfide, or wax, the ammo has an unusual black appearance compared to other copper-jacketed or lead bullets. 260 Posts #30 • 3 mo ago. Even non gun owners seem to recall this 1990's Olin-Winchester brand, primarily because of its undeserved reputation as a "cop killer" bullet. The cartridge provided additional ammunition (so to speak) for gun control advocates to rally against civilian gun ownership while other critics focused on the “Black Talon” name.
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